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I don't know what is wrong with me. I feel so sad. I have this persistent sadness hanging over me like a dark cloud, and everything I do only provides a momentary respite. I don't think my sadness is unusual. There is a lot of reason for me to be sad. My dad died last year. My mom died when I was 16. I was physically abused by my brother while I was growing up. Now, I am living all by myself in a foreign country away from all my relatives and friends. I've problem getting new friends because 1) I have really low self esteem 2) I'm in a constant state of fear/anxiety 3) I feel like people here are so different from me: It is hard for me to understand them, and for them to understand me.I feel extremely lonely and sad most of the time, and although I've never actively thought of suicide, sometimes I feel like I wouldn't care if I die tomorrow. Life just seems so long, so hard, so tiring, so pointless. I'm running negative on motivation. What is the point of doing anything if I don't love my life. I used to think that if I do certain things I would be happier, but now that I've done those things, I'm still not happy, which is making me question if I will ever be happy. I started taking anti-depressants but they aren't really working. What will meds do if you cannot change the situation that is causing the sadness anyways? I'm really tired, physically, emotionally, in every way. Thanks for listening
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Re: I'm sad- all the time.
Sun, September 27, 2009 - 8:09 PMIt's true we can't change the past (the situation that causes the sadness). But it is possible to modify our reaction to the feelings those past situations bring up.
I know. I was molested by my mother and physically abused by her and one of my brothers until I left home. My father passed when I was 15 and Mom died 5 years ago (despite/because of the abuse I was very attached to her).
Grieving takes a long time. I grieved the loss of my father, my childhood at the hands of my abusers and my mother's passing.
Grieving over my lost childhood is on going since it still affects the way I see the world (not safe) and my relations with others (difficult to trust people).
I hope you won't think me selfish in talking of myself. I don't believe in wagging my finger at others and telling them what I think they should do. I only can relate my own experiences where I think they may be relevant.
Part of changing my reaction to these depressing past stimuli is accepting the fact that yes, these terrible things happened and yes, they still affect me. Along with this i find it necessary to almost constantly remind myself that I am not a bad person for having these feelings. I am HUMAN and have experienced loss and trauma. I'd be a freak if I didn't have these feelings.
These few thoughts/attitudes go a long way in helping me to cope with my feelings and life.
Reminding myself there are people in the world who DO give a damn about what happens to me also helps.
I care about you that's why I am taking the time to relate all this,
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Re: I'm sad- all the time.
Sun, September 27, 2009 - 9:02 PMI echo what Ron says, with a small addendum that has taken me a long, long time to figure out: when we lose someone (however that loss occurs), we not only mourn what was, we mourn what we wanted to be - the dream as it were. When I got out of a bad situation after six years (not all of which were bad, btw), I felt deep loss and longing - which I feel to this day, some 20 years later. What I have to remind myself of is that I don't miss what was, particularly, I miss what I wanted it to be. Does that make sense? That's why I think that loss, especially through death, and especially if it was a dysfunctional relationship, is so dang difficult. Grief is not confined to one sphere, one realm, but is so multifaceted that we are grieving on multiple levels.
If you are feeling isolated in the US/Bay Area, could you perhaps look to connect up with other Bangladeshi? Even on a website for ex-pats? And are you in any kind of supportive counseling? I ask because the isolation might be something other than a cultural divide and might help you to connect up with others more in your liking.
These are just suggestions. I certainly can't tell you with any authority what you should do - I can't even run my own life, so I'm sure not gonna run yours. These are just some thoughts of someone who might have been on this crappy road for a little longer...
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Re: I'm sad- all the time.
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 1:01 PMHi Darla,
I know what you mean by mourning "what we wanted it to be." I lost my dad last year. For most of my life, my dad and I have been really emotionally distant. He always thought I was a little girl, and never shared any of his problems with me. But last year, I could finally see the dynamics between us changing- I could finally feel that we were really relating on a more meaningful level. But before I could know him properly, he passed away all of a sudden. Sometimes I feel like I never really knew my father, and I've been robbed of the opportunity to get to know him. So I guess I'm not only mourning his death, I am also mourning the fact that I'll never have the opportunity to know him in the way I really wanted to know him.
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Re: I'm sad- all the time.
Sun, September 27, 2009 - 9:12 PMThank you so much for your reply. That was very meaningful to me. And I like the fact that you gave example from your own life rather than giving me a bunch of advice. I guess I need to work on modifying my "reaction to the feelings those past situations bring up." I'll try to tell myself what you tell yourself that "Yes, these terrible things happened and yes, they still affect me. Along with this i find it necessary to almost constantly remind myself that I am not a bad person for having these feelings. I am HUMAN and have experienced loss and trauma." I've recently realized that because of the constant criticism directed at me when I grew up, my own internal self talk is very negative. When my brother was no longer there to criticize me, I picked up where he left off, always judging myself, expecting myself to be perfect, and rebuking myself when things were not perfect. I am trying to be more positive to myself, but old habits die hard. Another thing I've noticed is the constant fear I feel. Whenever I have to do something no matter how small it is, there is this small voice in my head telling me that I can't do it (my brother used to tell me that) and I freeze in fear postponing the task infinitely, which most of the time makes it worse. There was a time when I used to eat the same food every day, take the same route to work, do the same things again and again- I was so terrified of anything new. I know my fear is not rational, but I cannot help it. Also, when I was growing up, I think both my parents were very depressed. And whilst my father was totally emotionally unavailable, my mother was totally emotionally dominant and manipulative. I felt like i had to suppress all my true wishes and desires and be exactly the way my mom wanted me to be because If I was not, she wouldn't love me. Plus she was already so miserable, I didn't want to do anything to add to her misery. So I never asked her for anything I wanted, never complained to her about anything and always tried to do well in school to make her proud. I now realize that my mom and I were co-dependent. I was so enmeshed with her, I didn't have my own identity apart from her. When she died, I didn't know what to do. There was such a vacuum in my life, which I tried to fill with love and relationships. But pretty soon I realized that no one would ever "love" me the way my mom loved me. And perhaps she shouldn't have made me so co-dependent. I needed to develop my own personality, and do what I wanted to do instead of doing what I think she wanted me to do. I'm trying to love myself, and figure out what I like and dislike, but all those "lost years" make me sad. Plus I'm so used to sacrificing my own need for others- it feels so weird to care for myself. It feels so unnatural to love myself, and not run around for other people's approval. Anyways, in the last seven years, I've moved to a completely new country, and I live here all by myself, and it has been hard to cross cultural barriers and get support. I know I need to develop my support network, and reach out to people more. And remember that there are people who care about me. Thank you for caring about me. -
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Re: I'm sad- all the time.
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 8:49 PMWhen i find myself despairing over what might have been I hope i can remember to focus on the present and plan for a reachable goal in my life today.
Some of the goals that have helped me feel good: phoning my cousin back east who I usually only email, visiting the dahlia garden in GG Park when it was blooming, taking a cable car ride, updating my resume, getting outside on a sunny day even if it's only 5 - 10 minutes, treating myself for lunch at my favorite restaurant (Star India on Geary near Arguello), going to see "Wicked" (saved for that one) and seeing the most recent harry Potter movie the first week it came out.
Most people may not consider these worthy goals, but for me, with my depression and PTSD brushing my teeth is often a worthy goal itself.
Loss of childhood to me means doing things for that child that still lives within me that give me the joy of a child; riding standing on the outside of a cable car, going to Santa Cruz boardwalk and riding the Big Dipper rollercoaster, a bicycle ride, watching vintage cartoons on youtube, walking barefoot in the surf at Ocean Beach, getting doggy kisses from my neighbor's Labs.
Of course I don't spend all my time doing these things (wonder what that would be like?), In fact I have to REMIND myself to have some fun.
Different people jave different things they enjoy. Even when i lack any motivation or interest at all if I'm speeding down a hill on a bicycle i feel gleeful! Even when I feel all alone in the world when i go to eat at my favorite restaurant I feel safe and warm.
I don't know how that works but I'm grateful it does.
Are there things like that for others in this tribe?
What are they?
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Re: I'm sad- all the time.
Tue, September 29, 2009 - 4:03 PMYou have done some deep reflective inner work on yourself. Good work, that takes a lot of effort and skill to be able to come to the realizations you have come to. You've taken on a lot as well! Moving into a new culture is not something I have done, in fact I fear it deeply, because of the challenges it can come with - specifically not being able to communicate what I think/feel to others on my own terms. You have taken that on with courage and stayed the course, that is very admirable.
Without having to solve all the depth and complexities your life has given you, do you have something that makes you happy in a short term way? The happiness that comes from forgetting your troubles and allows you a moment of relief? Ron's examples are pretty good ones - do you have these?
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Re: I'm sad- all the time.
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 8:56 PMSo much of such great value has already been
said; it will be hard to improve on !
I tend to get a little preachy, which I will try to minimize
in this post, but it's part of how I associate - not by telling other
people what to do so much, but by telling what's worked for me -
My first response area is regarding meds - you have not mentioned
how long you have been trying meds; but I know from my experience
that meds can be a wonderful aid...but finding the right meds can
be a hard and lengthy journey...but it can and will get better if you stick with it.
It took over a year for my doc and I to find the right meds for me; and that
was a difficult year, mostly dealing with the horrible affects of the ones that
did'nt work.
Counseling with someone who you truly "jive" with is important -
you can have a great counselor, but if things don't flow with them,
then the process will not be as effective. I know there are people
with your backgorund who are counselors, because I had one.
unfortunately, she is still just an intern, but I'm sure there are others, and
Berkeley is a great place to find one.
I've felt like an alien for the entirety of my life - I can't speak to cultural stuff;
your experience is unique to who you are; but know that you have the power
to change this.
When I was younger, I literally expected a UFO to land one day and take me back to
the planet I came from, because I sure as hell did'nt come from this planet.
There are many (lengthy) reasons for my feelings, and I won't bore you with
that menuscia - but I will say that even I was able to make friends; although
difficult, I'm sure you can too. The bay area is a great place to experience
people with your background - I don't know of specific events, but I do know there are
plenty for you to explore. It may not be a miracle; but I believe such contact
would help minimize the isolation and depression you feel.
I was extremely close to my mother, but without the difficult abuse issues
my mother died just as we were reforming our relationship after
the usual and necessary teenage issues. I don't talk about my mother's death
because for a variety of reasons I'll never be able to deal with it.
Death is very difficult to deal with, and can be made worse by issues
that may have existed with your relationship with them.
Counseling may be able to help here, ... or not.
At some point, you *WILL* be better able to deal with things and find a way to
live in spite of the difficulties.
I feel similar to you, in that I doubt I will ever experience "happiness" perse..
but I do believe that eventually, I will be able to get back to a place of
more peace and satisfaction with my life, and I continue, sometimes
with great difficulty, towards those ends. I have a history of suicidal behavior,
but I've made progress on that front, and continue to strive to make things
better. With meds and counsel, my depression is less and more
manageable than before, and I deeply believe in these things
that they can help most people, even if they don't feel that they can.
It may take some time and effort, but I would suggest finding something that
you're good at or really like to do, because it can help you temper the level
of depression that you experience. I know also, from my experience
that music can be a very powerful thing to combat depression.
I have issues with every remaining member of my blood relatives,
which is why I don't associate with them much. I once stayed
attached to these people, and "played my part" (the part
they expected / forced me to play) but with counseling, have
come pretty close to severing my contact with these people.
They will never treat me properly, they will never have a healthy
view of me. You may need to do something similar to
regain some of your mental health. It's a difficult process
and takes letting go of some things, but in the end you'll
likely feel and be healthier and feel less controlled and depressed.
For myself, I found that challenging myself was a way to de-affirm
the kinds of messages I received as a kid and continuing into
adulthood. For example, I rode a bicycle from San Rafael
to San Diego, completely by myself ...no support system,
no backup, noone to call if I screwed it up / had an accident.
I (stupidly) did'nt even plan the route I was going to take.
Not only did I succed beyond my imagination, but I accelled
and thrived. I got hopelessly lost on several occasions, but
found my way and perservered. If what I had been told
all my life were true, doing such a thing - especially by myself
would be unthinkable...simply too much of a screwup to complete such a task.
It seems like I must repeatedly do such things, because it's a message
I'm not able to maintain despite several clear successes.
Set yourself challenges and then succeed, and you'll have a harder time
believing that you are what they say you are.
Not only did my dad, but also most of my teachers, and school
administrators constantly tell me I was worthless and that all
the abuse I faced was my fault, most of my school mates told me
I was weird and a screwup too - very very difficult for a small child to fight
against THAT much negativity and abuse - but I always got good grades
and started questioning just who was telling me these awful things about myself.
Logic helped (they call it "cognitive therapy" now.. It's difficult, but
you *CAN* either by yourself with self-help books, and / or with counsel
begin to deconstruct and analyize the negative messages and self-talk
you have. What's important to realize is that the people who gave you all these
awful messages are sick people, and their abuse of you is *NOT*
a true and valid comment on YOUR value, but truly a comment on THEIR
poor mental health. You CAN and *WILL* realize this, and slowly
the chains that bind *WILL* begin to break. You may always have
some chains that bind you, but it's entirely and completely possible
-even probable - that many of the chains that hold you *CAN* be broken.
In closing; if you need support, there's always cake and ice cream...
and then there's US !
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Re: I'm sad- all the time.
Tue, September 29, 2009 - 1:33 AMSan Rafael to San Diego! Alone? Wow Ray you've got cajones! Congratulations, that's quite an accomplishment.
It's interesting to see the similarities in our backgrounds. Not all similar, but still quite a bit. I always got good grades but was never praised for this growing up. I was told I was lazy ansd yet when I went into recovery for drug abuse I made a list of every job I ever got paid for and saw I had been working since I was 14 years old. on and on
I believe my abusers loved me in the way they knew how, in the way possibly they were loved. That doesn't make it right but it does help me understand that it was/is something wrong with them, NOT ME!
I'm so grateful for this tribe.
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Re: PS - Part II
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 9:07 PM1) I have really low self-esteem too,
but I've created a somewhat effective "intellectual" self-image
(if I figure out a good way to make friends, I'll let you know
just before I publish it and make a zillion dollars)
2) Anxiety MAJORLY affects my life, but counsel and meds have made a HUGE
dent on that.
3) I STILL feel like an alien; I just don't let it get me down anymore.
Ron brought up some good points;
I'll share some of mine: Going to a cozy home-style resaraunt at least once a week
(make it a special day, JUST to take care of yourself)
(in your case, find somewhere that connects you to your culture might be good)
GOING TO MOVIES (or renting)
They get you out of your head for 2 hours - a 2 hour break from your problems can
be a HUGE help !
Write in a journal / diary
draw / sing / dance / read - something that either gets you out of
your head for awhile, eases your burden, or makes you feel good
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Tue, September 29, 2009 - 1:25 AMOh when I'm desperate I'll play ALL my 70's disco cds (about 40 of them). I'm 54 years old and those days were my heyday! Listening to that music I just have to boogie! -
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 9:42 PMI can't ad anything but I can say thanks for all the good thoughts and info I see here to day... as always great stuff Maynard.... -
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Sat, October 3, 2009 - 4:50 AMSo how are things going, Farhana?
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Sat, October 3, 2009 - 7:38 AMHi Darla,
Things are going kind of hectic I'm in the middle of midterm season, and I have been running on 2-3 hrs of sleep every night. To top it all off, something happened yesterday that made me suspect that my identity has been compromised. So I had to go through the whole charade: notifying companies, police rpt etc, etc. But given the circumstances I think I've been holding up pretty well. I'm trying to keep calm, telling myself worrying won't solve anything, and just trying to focus on the work at hand. I'll let you know how things turn out in about a week
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Sat, October 3, 2009 - 9:05 AMSounds like you are doing great - considering! Whoa, that IS a lot to deal with at once. I think your perspective on energy management is great - don't put energy where it does no good (i.e. worry).
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Thu, October 15, 2009 - 10:59 PMJust wanted to update you guys...Midterms are over, and I did pretty well. I think reclaiming academic success has been very good for my self esteem and happiness level.
I've also started taking bupropion with no side effects.
And this wednesday, I went to see a shrink to get some help
So yay for me!
Thank you guys for all your support. All the things you said, all the advice you guys gave, were so meaningful. I'm really grateful for it! -
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Fri, October 16, 2009 - 12:29 PMWay to the YAY!!!!
Glad to hear things are better, Farhana! Glad you did well on your exams and glad that you are doing better with the meds!
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Sat, October 17, 2009 - 2:52 AMthanks for getting back to us. Reminds me that this sh#t passes!
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