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Went to see my new Doctor today. All about "think depressed and you will be depressed". God I've heard that song and dance so many times now. I really wanted to tell him to go to Hell, but I need him to say I'm crazy so that I can get my SSDI. I know me, and as long as I am in the same cernstandes my brain will keep putting me in the same emotional space. Trying to reprogram my thought posets will only make me frustraighted and even more depressed. I felt like saying, "Oh Goss Doctor, it's all in my head. Why in 40 years of treatment have I never thought of that before?" God just sitting here trying to write this and watching my D mess up every fith word and I know that my emotions are because of my problem not my problem because of my emotions!
Well anyway it's done and my med are all prescript again. So it's forwards and onwards.
Patrick
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Re: Not again
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 7:35 AMPatrick, I think it's one of those things that, if you haven't really experienced it, you have no idea about it. I remember being in an awful space years ago, and my family is full of folks with depression, my own sister-in-law said, "What do YOU have to be depressed about?" I have heard that a lot, too. It's ignorance, not malice.
That being said, there really IS something about the way we talk to ourselves that impacts our level of depression. But it's like when my doc says that exercize will help - well, yeah!!!! Perhaps if I had the energy to walk out to my car and DO something it WOULD help, but I don't have the energy to walk to the front door.
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Re: Not again
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 3:14 PMDarle you really hit it with "If I had the energy to work at it, it might help with getting the energy!"
And yes I understand most people have know idea what the black dog is all about. But somehow I expect better from Doctors in the Mental Health system. Dump me. -
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Re: Not again
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 8:22 PMIt's always good to have hope for the docs
and counselors...it's also important to realize that you
may not be getting the best care avail; and know when
(if you CAN) switch to some other agency...
sometimes crap is all that's available, and you have to do
more work than you should have to.
Some mental health systems and agencies are functional,
some could use some counseling themselves....!!!...
keep hangin' in...
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Re: Not again
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 8:32 AMAgreed...positive thinking helps WHEN you can get out of the depression enough to get there. I'm not in that place right now either. -
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Re: Not again
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 3:19 PMThanks Rachel.
This was one time it was right to post here. No doctor or normal friend would say what Rachel just said. They would most likely thing it a terrible thing to say. But then they don't under stand. It's not untill you are savaged by the black dog that you know.
Patrick
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Re: Not again
Sun, November 1, 2009 - 1:47 PMTribes is really dead these days. Use to be something like this would get a lot more response.
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Re: Not again
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 10:05 AMStudies are beginning to come out that say the 'power of positive thinking' for people who are depressed may do more harm then good.
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...3300.ece
“I think that what happens is that when a low-self-esteem person repeats positive thoughts, all they do is contradict what is there already. So if they’re saying, ‘I’m a loveable person’, they might then think, ‘Well, I’m not always loveable’ or ‘I’m not loveable in this way’. Then these contradictory thoughts may overwhelm the positive thoughts.”
Professor Wood said that positive thinking might be effective when it was used as part of a broader programme of therapy. “But on its own it tends to have the reverse effect of what it is supposed to do.”
I find affirmations especially insidious. Have you ever received a compliment you didn't agree with? Often I get a compliment, then loath myself because of it for the rest of the evening. As much as I try to ignore it, the black dog take it as an excuse to tell me why I am NOT good, smart, pretty, capable...whatever.
Maybe you can show you doc this article?
Here's another version of the same study, with a different spin.
www.abc.net.au/news/stori...2607639.htm
"So we can teach people to visualise themselves moving from a helpless mode into a competent mode. When we're in a competent mode we can grow, we're creative, we can think of multiple solutions to problems, we can be nurturing and healing of ourselves and others, and be compassionate," she said.
"So what I work with is those two types of visualisations; of being in a helpless mode, and teaching a client to imagine themselves in a competent mode, acting 'as if'. It's a little bit like the AA axiom 'fake it til you make it'. So if you can teach a client to act as if they're in a competent mode, to imagine themselves in a competent mode, and how they would behave and think. So that's actually changing their behaviour."
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